Comments for Obedience Training for Dogs http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com Learn how to train dogs, dog training books & Obedience Training for Dogs Sun, 28 Nov 2010 20:38:59 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 Comment on Which method for dog training is better clicker or reward? by kirsty m http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward/comment-page-1#comment-4809 kirsty m Sun, 28 Nov 2010 20:38:59 +0000 http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward#comment-4809 Clicker training is very like reward training, but the click preceeds the reward. Clicks can be delivered at exactly the moment the dog is doing the right thing, regardless of how far away from the dog you are at the time. The food reward immediately follows the click. It's a more precise way of using positive reinforcement to train an animal. Here is a little video introduction http://www.clickertraining.tv/product.html?item=FREE-01 You will find great information on the following website http://www.clickertraining.com/basics<br><b>References : </b><br> Clicker training is very like reward training, but the click preceeds the reward. Clicks can be delivered at exactly the moment the dog is doing the right thing, regardless of how far away from the dog you are at the time. The food reward immediately follows the click. It’s a more precise way of using positive reinforcement to train an animal. Here is a little video introduction http://www.clickertraining.tv/product.html?item=FREE-01
You will find great information on the following website http://www.clickertraining.com/basics
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]]> Comment on Which method for dog training is better clicker or reward? by Nancy M http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward/comment-page-1#comment-4808 Nancy M Sun, 28 Nov 2010 20:18:59 +0000 http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward#comment-4808 actually clicker training is reward training -- the clicker is simply a marker for a behavior that tells the dog that it will be rewarded for doing this specific behavior. With 'reward' type training without a clicker, you just use something else as a marker like a word or sound and then reward. Neither is 'better' than the other just different. With either you use something the dog likes (toy, treat) to reward after marking the behavior - dog sits, you click or say yes or smile or whatever and then treat the dog. If you aren't consistant with the marker maybe a clicker is better for you but it just depends on you. I find it easier to not use a clicker as I am not THAT coordinated and am used to using a verbal marker. Good luck. add: You cannot use a clicker in an obedience trial any more than you can use a treat. Both should be weaned off once the dog is actually trained for an exercise and be sporatically rewarded so that it does it not for the treat but because it is trained to. In the obedience ring you can only give the proper command and that is all.<br><b>References : </b><br> actually clicker training is reward training — the clicker is simply a marker for a behavior that tells the dog that it will be rewarded for doing this specific behavior. With ‘reward’ type training without a clicker, you just use something else as a marker like a word or sound and then reward. Neither is ‘better’ than the other just different. With either you use something the dog likes (toy, treat) to reward after marking the behavior – dog sits, you click or say yes or smile or whatever and then treat the dog. If you aren’t consistant with the marker maybe a clicker is better for you but it just depends on you. I find it easier to not use a clicker as I am not THAT coordinated and am used to using a verbal marker. Good luck.

add: You cannot use a clicker in an obedience trial any more than you can use a treat. Both should be weaned off once the dog is actually trained for an exercise and be sporatically rewarded so that it does it not for the treat but because it is trained to. In the obedience ring you can only give the proper command and that is all.
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]]> Comment on Which method for dog training is better clicker or reward? by shibalover616 http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward/comment-page-1#comment-4807 shibalover616 Sun, 28 Nov 2010 20:05:59 +0000 http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward#comment-4807 My dog and I are currently using both. When he does the trick, give him the treat while clicking the clicker. That way if you are ever in an obedience trial (since they do not allow treats) use the clicker, the dog will think that you have treats with you. Good Luck!!<br><b>References : </b><br> My dog and I are currently using both. When he does the trick, give him the treat while clicking the clicker. That way if you are ever in an obedience trial (since they do not allow treats) use the clicker, the dog will think that you have treats with you.

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]]> Comment on Which method for dog training is better clicker or reward? by sabumitz http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward/comment-page-1#comment-4806 sabumitz Sun, 28 Nov 2010 19:31:59 +0000 http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward#comment-4806 The clicker just 'marks' the behavior you want and lets the dog know a treat is coming. You can do the same thing by saying 'yes' or 'good dog'. The clicker can be more precise and once the dog understands what it means, can learn to work for clicks, learning new behaviors more easily. www.fearfuldogs.com<br><b>References : </b><br> The clicker just ‘marks’ the behavior you want and lets the dog know a treat is coming. You can do the same thing by saying ‘yes’ or ‘good dog’. The clicker can be more precise and once the dog understands what it means, can learn to work for clicks, learning new behaviors more easily.

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]]> Comment on Which method for dog training is better clicker or reward? by Yuff http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward/comment-page-1#comment-4805 Yuff Sun, 28 Nov 2010 19:14:59 +0000 http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward#comment-4805 clicker is easier but you wont always have it with you<br><b>References : </b><br> clicker is easier but you wont always have it with you
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]]> Comment on Which method for dog training is better clicker or reward? by Joh http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward/comment-page-1#comment-4804 Joh Sun, 28 Nov 2010 19:07:59 +0000 http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward#comment-4804 clicker IS reward training - the click comes before the treat.<br><b>References : </b><br> clicker IS reward training – the click comes before the treat.
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]]> Comment on Which method for dog training is better clicker or reward? by drb http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward/comment-page-1#comment-4803 drb Sun, 28 Nov 2010 18:45:59 +0000 http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward#comment-4803 Some basic learning theory: Reinforcement is the process whereby a given behavior is made stronger. This can be done in a couple of ways. Positive reinforcement is when something good follows the behavior. The dog sits, and you give a treat. The treat is the reinforcer. The appearance of the reinforcer produces reinforcement, which is an internal process. Negative reinforcement occurs when the behavior results in something unpleasant going away, such as the pressure of a choke collar easing when the dog gets back into heel position. Walking at heel is reinforced by the easing of the pressure. Things that have reinforcing qualities in and of themselves are called primary reinforcers. Food is one of the big ones. A treat then, is a primary reinforcer. The sound of a clicker in and of itself is not a reinforcer at all, until it is conditioned to a primary reinforcer. Then it becomes a conditioned or secondary reinforcer. Here's the deal with clicker training. You first have to get your dog to associate the sound of the clicker with a primary reinforcer. You do this by pairing the sound of the clicker with a primary reinforcer until it becomes a conditioned reinforcer. Click the clicker, give a treat. Repeat several times. Take a break, then repeat the whole sequence. Do this enough, and the clicker will take on reinforcing properties. Now when you're training your dog, click the clicker as soon as he performs the desired behavior, and the dog will be reinforced. Occasionally, you should go back and repeat the click-treat bit, just to keep the association between clicker and treat going. That's sometimes called loading the clicker. Rather than a clicker, try making a clicking sound with your tongue, or any little short, sharp sound you can. This has the advatanges of your not having to fumble with the clicker in one hand, and the lead in the other. Also, it's unique to you, nobody else can duplicate it. Anyone can get a clicker, and if one goes off at the wrong time, it can mess up what you're trying to do. Finally, it's free and you won't leave it at home or lose it. So if you try to train a dog with a clicker without first building the association between the click and some really good treat, you're probably not going to get too far.<br><b>References : </b><br> Some basic learning theory:

Reinforcement is the process whereby a given behavior is made stronger. This can be done in a couple of ways. Positive reinforcement is when something good follows the behavior. The dog sits, and you give a treat. The treat is the reinforcer. The appearance of the reinforcer produces reinforcement, which is an internal process. Negative reinforcement occurs when the behavior results in something unpleasant going away, such as the pressure of a choke collar easing when the dog gets back into heel position. Walking at heel is reinforced by the easing of the pressure.

Things that have reinforcing qualities in and of themselves are called primary reinforcers. Food is one of the big ones. A treat then, is a primary reinforcer. The sound of a clicker in and of itself is not a reinforcer at all, until it is conditioned to a primary reinforcer. Then it becomes a conditioned or secondary reinforcer.

Here’s the deal with clicker training. You first have to get your dog to associate the sound of the clicker with a primary reinforcer. You do this by pairing the sound of the clicker with a primary reinforcer until it becomes a conditioned reinforcer. Click the clicker, give a treat. Repeat several times. Take a break, then repeat the whole sequence. Do this enough, and the clicker will take on reinforcing properties. Now when you’re training your dog, click the clicker as soon as he performs the desired behavior, and the dog will be reinforced. Occasionally, you should go back and repeat the click-treat bit, just to keep the association between clicker and treat going. That’s sometimes called loading the clicker.

Rather than a clicker, try making a clicking sound with your tongue, or any little short, sharp sound you can. This has the advatanges of your not having to fumble with the clicker in one hand, and the lead in the other. Also, it’s unique to you, nobody else can duplicate it. Anyone can get a clicker, and if one goes off at the wrong time, it can mess up what you’re trying to do. Finally, it’s free and you won’t leave it at home or lose it.

So if you try to train a dog with a clicker without first building the association between the click and some really good treat, you’re probably not going to get too far.
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]]> Comment on Which method for dog training is better clicker or reward? by Patricia G http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward/comment-page-1#comment-4802 Patricia G Sun, 28 Nov 2010 18:35:59 +0000 http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward#comment-4802 Clickers can be good and bad. For TEACHING tricks they can be very helpful so your dog knows exactly when he did the right thing. They can help a lot with more complicated tricks. For obedience they are a waste of time. Chasing after a dog with a clicker to try and get it to come will not work. Always use treats when teaching a new trick or obedience. Once they know it just praise them and give them a treat every now and then, but they should just do it for praise. If you want to teach your dog obedience visit www.dogproblems.com It's a lot cheaper than going somewhere and you can do it when you have time. I used it and it's amazing!!<br><b>References : </b><br> Clickers can be good and bad. For TEACHING tricks they can be very helpful so your dog knows exactly when he did the right thing. They can help a lot with more complicated tricks. For obedience they are a waste of time. Chasing after a dog with a clicker to try and get it to come will not work.

Always use treats when teaching a new trick or obedience. Once they know it just praise them and give them a treat every now and then, but they should just do it for praise.

If you want to teach your dog obedience visit http://www.dogproblems.com It’s a lot cheaper than going somewhere and you can do it when you have time. I used it and it’s amazing!!
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]]> Comment on Which method for dog training is better clicker or reward? by Leanna G http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward/comment-page-1#comment-4801 Leanna G Sun, 28 Nov 2010 17:50:59 +0000 http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward#comment-4801 My trainer recommended instead of a clicker, use a marker word. So we use the word "Good" instead of a click. We always have our words but may not have a clicker.<br><b>References : </b><br> My trainer recommended instead of a clicker, use a marker word. So we use the word "Good" instead of a click. We always have our words but may not have a clicker.
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]]> Comment on Which method for dog training is better clicker or reward? by twirldpeas http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward/comment-page-1#comment-4800 twirldpeas Sun, 28 Nov 2010 17:13:59 +0000 http://www.dogobediencesolutions.com/obedience-training-for-dogs/which-method-for-dog-training-is-better-clicker-or-reward#comment-4800 There is no 'better training.' It really depends on the dog. Some dogs respond to the clicker some don't! The clicker works like a reward, because when you start using it, you reward and click consistently to help the dog learn to respond to the clicker. One of my dogs is scared of the noise of the clicker, the other immediately responds to it! Just keep in mind that positive training is good, negative/abusive training is not!<br><b>References : </b><br> There is no ‘better training.’ It really depends on the dog. Some dogs respond to the clicker some don’t! The clicker works like a reward, because when you start using it, you reward and click consistently to help the dog learn to respond to the clicker. One of my dogs is scared of the noise of the clicker, the other immediately responds to it! Just keep in mind that positive training is good, negative/abusive training is not!
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